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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-6/#comment-44057</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In addition to what Irishtroubadour said, I&#039;d like to add that when it comes to condemning others, you, ZRAinSWVA, have ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM to talk.  Your hateful, self-righteous diatribe turns right around on you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to what Irishtroubadour said, I&#8217;d like to add that when it comes to condemning others, you, ZRAinSWVA, have ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM to talk.  Your hateful, self-righteous diatribe turns right around on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-44030</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And how do you know he died unrepentant? How do any of us know?

The &quot;mercy of the Catholic Church&quot;? What about God&#039;s mercy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how do you know he died unrepentant? How do any of us know?</p>
<p>The &#8220;mercy of the Catholic Church&#8221;? What about God&#8217;s mercy?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-2/#comment-44023</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a difference between the individual described in the above link and the one who&#039;s the subject of the above article.  The former is alive but suffering from cancer, and everyone is praying for him that he may renounce his atheism and embrace Christ and His Church.  As for the latter, it&#039;s too late for him, as he&#039;s dead.  Now all we can do is pray for the repose of his soul -- if he&#039;s in purgatory, at least.  True, he could&#039;ve repented at the last moment, and it would be great if he did.  But we can&#039;t possibly know that for sure.  It doesn&#039;t matter that this guy&#039;s sin was practicing and/or promoting the homosexual lifestyle; if he was a notorious public sinner in any other way, the Church would&#039;ve responded THE EXACT SAME WAY.  I don&#039;t know where you get the idea that the Church would&#039;ve been more lenient had he been an open serial adulterer, cohabitator, murderer, thief, etc.  In addition, you don&#039;t seem to understand that supporting the refusal of the Church to offer a funeral Mass for this man is NOT unmerciful.  Rather, it&#039;s the Church&#039;s way of telling the faithful that his lifestyle (which was open for all to see) was in direct violation of God&#039;s laws.  It&#039;s not a condemnation to hell but rather a means of teaching the faithful, especially those who might be led astray by his actions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference between the individual described in the above link and the one who&#8217;s the subject of the above article.  The former is alive but suffering from cancer, and everyone is praying for him that he may renounce his atheism and embrace Christ and His Church.  As for the latter, it&#8217;s too late for him, as he&#8217;s dead.  Now all we can do is pray for the repose of his soul &#8212; if he&#8217;s in purgatory, at least.  True, he could&#8217;ve repented at the last moment, and it would be great if he did.  But we can&#8217;t possibly know that for sure.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that this guy&#8217;s sin was practicing and/or promoting the homosexual lifestyle; if he was a notorious public sinner in any other way, the Church would&#8217;ve responded THE EXACT SAME WAY.  I don&#8217;t know where you get the idea that the Church would&#8217;ve been more lenient had he been an open serial adulterer, cohabitator, murderer, thief, etc.  In addition, you don&#8217;t seem to understand that supporting the refusal of the Church to offer a funeral Mass for this man is NOT unmerciful.  Rather, it&#8217;s the Church&#8217;s way of telling the faithful that his lifestyle (which was open for all to see) was in direct violation of God&#8217;s laws.  It&#8217;s not a condemnation to hell but rather a means of teaching the faithful, especially those who might be led astray by his actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-44021</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mundabor,

I agree with you. I don&#039;t deny offering this man a Catholic funeral may cause scandal. Indeed, St. Paul clearly exhorts us to avoid scandal, because of the weak may be lead astray in his discussion of eating the meat offered to idols (1 Cor. 8). Indeed at canon 1752 states &quot;...the salvation of souls, which must always be the supreme law in the Church, is to be kept before one&#039;s eyes.&quot;

What I am criticizing is the idea that we should declare that we know in particular which people are cut off from the presence of God and are unrepentant in their sin on their deathbed. I pray that this man did repent and received God&#039;s mercy, but we do know that he did die in serious sin and we cannot pretend that serious sin is not serious. Thus the sanction from a Catholic bury does make sense in light of possible scandal, but does not declare the man died in mortal sin or unrepentant, that is a judgement left to God.

Too often we get into deep seated divisions in our Church. Real Catholics™ vs. those Catholycs, the lepers of the Real Church™. We are the Real Catholics™, because we are of Apollos, or Paul, or John. They, those wretched people over there, are not, they are of Peter or Barnabas. How often does St. Paul exhort us against these sorts of divisions?

Others Catholics may fall into impurity and even fight against the sexual teachings of the Church, but how often are we fighting against the teachings to love our neighbor and seek unity with Christians?

St. Paul exhorts us:
&quot;Live in harmony with one another&quot; (Rom 12:16)
&quot;Is Christ divided?&quot; (1 Cor 1:12)
&quot;For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh, and behaving like ordinary men?&quot; (1 Cor 3:3)

St. John, the beloved disciple warns us:
&quot;We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. Whoever does not love remains in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life remaining in him.&quot; (1 John 3:14-15)

And Our Lord and Savior exhorts:
&quot;Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and no town or house divided against itself will stand.&quot; (Matt. 12:25)
&quot;I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.&quot; (John 17:20-21)
&quot;But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, &#039;Raqa,&#039; will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, &#039;You fool,&#039; will be liable to fiery Gehenna.&quot; (Matt. 5:22)

Is not our Holy Father Pope Benedict, the Pope of Christian Unity?

I do not say that we should not speak the truth. We should loudly and proudly as Catholics. Indeed, charity without truth is sentimentality, but truth without charity is cruelty. We should do our best to be faithful Catholics. 

But what scandal does it bring the Church when we sow division? How does labeling part of the Body of Christ &quot;Catholyc&quot; work for the salvation of souls? I will admit that in my weakness, I almost left the Church because I was disgusted by the in fighting of my brethren, but thanks be to God that he gave me the strength to accept a Church of sinners and acknowledge myself as one of them.

Should we not be working for unity, rather than cursing our brothers for their weakness? Why are we not running after the lost sheep? What is greater, a sin against purity, or a sin against charity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mundabor,</p>
<p>I agree with you. I don&#8217;t deny offering this man a Catholic funeral may cause scandal. Indeed, St. Paul clearly exhorts us to avoid scandal, because of the weak may be lead astray in his discussion of eating the meat offered to idols (1 Cor. 8). Indeed at canon 1752 states &#8220;&#8230;the salvation of souls, which must always be the supreme law in the Church, is to be kept before one&#8217;s eyes.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I am criticizing is the idea that we should declare that we know in particular which people are cut off from the presence of God and are unrepentant in their sin on their deathbed. I pray that this man did repent and received God&#8217;s mercy, but we do know that he did die in serious sin and we cannot pretend that serious sin is not serious. Thus the sanction from a Catholic bury does make sense in light of possible scandal, but does not declare the man died in mortal sin or unrepentant, that is a judgement left to God.</p>
<p>Too often we get into deep seated divisions in our Church. Real Catholics™ vs. those Catholycs, the lepers of the Real Church™. We are the Real Catholics™, because we are of Apollos, or Paul, or John. They, those wretched people over there, are not, they are of Peter or Barnabas. How often does St. Paul exhort us against these sorts of divisions?</p>
<p>Others Catholics may fall into impurity and even fight against the sexual teachings of the Church, but how often are we fighting against the teachings to love our neighbor and seek unity with Christians?</p>
<p>St. Paul exhorts us:<br />
&#8220;Live in harmony with one another&#8221; (Rom 12:16)<br />
&#8220;Is Christ divided?&#8221; (1 Cor 1:12)<br />
&#8220;For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh, and behaving like ordinary men?&#8221; (1 Cor 3:3)</p>
<p>St. John, the beloved disciple warns us:<br />
&#8220;We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. Whoever does not love remains in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life remaining in him.&#8221; (1 John 3:14-15)</p>
<p>And Our Lord and Savior exhorts:<br />
&#8220;Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and no town or house divided against itself will stand.&#8221; (Matt. 12:25)<br />
&#8220;I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.&#8221; (John 17:20-21)<br />
&#8220;But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, &#8216;Raqa,&#8217; will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, &#8216;You fool,&#8217; will be liable to fiery Gehenna.&#8221; (Matt. 5:22)</p>
<p>Is not our Holy Father Pope Benedict, the Pope of Christian Unity?</p>
<p>I do not say that we should not speak the truth. We should loudly and proudly as Catholics. Indeed, charity without truth is sentimentality, but truth without charity is cruelty. We should do our best to be faithful Catholics. </p>
<p>But what scandal does it bring the Church when we sow division? How does labeling part of the Body of Christ &#8220;Catholyc&#8221; work for the salvation of souls? I will admit that in my weakness, I almost left the Church because I was disgusted by the in fighting of my brethren, but thanks be to God that he gave me the strength to accept a Church of sinners and acknowledge myself as one of them.</p>
<p>Should we not be working for unity, rather than cursing our brothers for their weakness? Why are we not running after the lost sheep? What is greater, a sin against purity, or a sin against charity?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-3/#comment-44018</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I meant Tom Peters, not Bruce.  Sorry!  But I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re trying to get at in your most recent post.  You claimed that people on here aren&#039;t making the distinction between homosexual orientation and homosexual activity.  And I&#039;m telling you you&#039;re mistaken.  But you didn&#039;t even address that part of my post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant Tom Peters, not Bruce.  Sorry!  But I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re trying to get at in your most recent post.  You claimed that people on here aren&#8217;t making the distinction between homosexual orientation and homosexual activity.  And I&#8217;m telling you you&#8217;re mistaken.  But you didn&#8217;t even address that part of my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishtroubadour</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-6/#comment-43980</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishtroubadour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know Zrainswva, some of us do try to live devout lives and follow the teachings of the Church. How do you think we feel when others, who &quot;claim&quot; to be Catholic, refuse to live by the law. I&#039;d love to go do immoral things, but I don&#039;t, why? Because Christ taught differently. We can always have a re-enactment of Sodom and Gomorrah. I would also recommend you read the lives of the saints and see how they lived counter-cultural and how they are examples of living Christ centered lives. They didn&#039;t go against the Church and her teachings, they abided by them.  It&#039;s a shame that people feel they can go against Church teaching so that they may live as they please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Zrainswva, some of us do try to live devout lives and follow the teachings of the Church. How do you think we feel when others, who &#8220;claim&#8221; to be Catholic, refuse to live by the law. I&#8217;d love to go do immoral things, but I don&#8217;t, why? Because Christ taught differently. We can always have a re-enactment of Sodom and Gomorrah. I would also recommend you read the lives of the saints and see how they lived counter-cultural and how they are examples of living Christ centered lives. They didn&#8217;t go against the Church and her teachings, they abided by them.  It&#8217;s a shame that people feel they can go against Church teaching so that they may live as they please.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewSB49</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-6/#comment-43977</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewSB49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the second time on record this parish has done this.  Needless to say that Reverend Father Brendan Smyth received all the funeral rites that the Catholic Church in Ireland reserves for all it&#039;s clergy - after all Reverend Father Brendan Smyth wasn&#039;t gay - the only notable new about him is that he raped 100s of children in Ireland and America.  Oaths of Secrecy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v_DI8_yPQM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the second time on record this parish has done this.  Needless to say that Reverend Father Brendan Smyth received all the funeral rites that the Catholic Church in Ireland reserves for all it&#8217;s clergy &#8211; after all Reverend Father Brendan Smyth wasn&#8217;t gay &#8211; the only notable new about him is that he raped 100s of children in Ireland and America.  Oaths of Secrecy: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v_DI8_yPQM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v_DI8_yPQM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Davide</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-3/#comment-43973</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave for Saint Peter&#039;s sake what in the world are you talking about? My comment was directed at Mr. Peter&#039;s not &quot;bruce&quot;. I didn&#039;t even read most of Bruce&#039;s umpteen comments. I don&#039;t come here to argue and try to prove my position. I come here to voice my opinion-no matters how lousy it is. Okay see you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave for Saint Peter&#8217;s sake what in the world are you talking about? My comment was directed at Mr. Peter&#8217;s not &#8220;bruce&#8221;. I didn&#8217;t even read most of Bruce&#8217;s umpteen comments. I don&#8217;t come here to argue and try to prove my position. I come here to voice my opinion-no matters how lousy it is. Okay see you.</p>
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		<title>By: ZRAinSWVA</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-6/#comment-43969</link>
		<dc:creator>ZRAinSWVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy-oh-boy.

The sanctimonious rhetoric that&#039;s spewing in this blog makes me remember why I left the Catholic church.

None of you--I repeat: NONE of you--are without sin. And yet you condemn others for what you think are their sins. That is not your place, as your Lord Jesus Christ commanded that you judge not lest you be judged. 

I pray the Catholic faith withers and dies like the hatefilled serpent it has become. You are blind to your own transgressions, and revel in casting-down others for theirs. You should be ashamed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy-oh-boy.</p>
<p>The sanctimonious rhetoric that&#8217;s spewing in this blog makes me remember why I left the Catholic church.</p>
<p>None of you&#8211;I repeat: NONE of you&#8211;are without sin. And yet you condemn others for what you think are their sins. That is not your place, as your Lord Jesus Christ commanded that you judge not lest you be judged. </p>
<p>I pray the Catholic faith withers and dies like the hatefilled serpent it has become. You are blind to your own transgressions, and revel in casting-down others for theirs. You should be ashamed.</p>
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		<title>By: mikekla</title>
		<link>http://www.catholicvote.org/california-parish-denies-funeral-mass-to-open-homosexual/comment-page-6/#comment-43960</link>
		<dc:creator>mikekla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting that in this blog there&#039;s no mention of the money that Mr. Sanfilippo left his parish. So much hand wringing and moral certitude about this &quot;unrepentant person who flaunted his sin .&quot; Yet the Church authorities say to bury  him regardless of Canon 1184.  It certainly couldn&#039;t have been the money, could it? The Church wouldn&#039;t do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that in this blog there&#8217;s no mention of the money that Mr. Sanfilippo left his parish. So much hand wringing and moral certitude about this &#8220;unrepentant person who flaunted his sin .&#8221; Yet the Church authorities say to bury  him regardless of Canon 1184.  It certainly couldn&#8217;t have been the money, could it? The Church wouldn&#8217;t do that.</p>
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