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		<title>By: Common</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 05:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas, I&#039;m trying to understand which religious view actually has the real and only special access to moral truth that should be codified in civil law.  As you know, Episcopal, Unitarian, Reformed Judaism, Quaker and Buddhist either honor or perform same sex unions.    Which view is correct and why?

Moreover, are child molesters, felons, drug addicts and rapists good parental models?  Why does civil marriage law deem their marriages as a fundamental right?   Do you believe equal protection and due process constitutional guarantee&#039;s apply only to felony marriages but not homosexual marriages?
Why, since every court and main stream scientific organization has determined homosexuals make great parents?

Please explain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I&#8217;m trying to understand which religious view actually has the real and only special access to moral truth that should be codified in civil law.  As you know, Episcopal, Unitarian, Reformed Judaism, Quaker and Buddhist either honor or perform same sex unions.    Which view is correct and why?</p>
<p>Moreover, are child molesters, felons, drug addicts and rapists good parental models?  Why does civil marriage law deem their marriages as a fundamental right?   Do you believe equal protection and due process constitutional guarantee&#8217;s apply only to felony marriages but not homosexual marriages?<br />
Why, since every court and main stream scientific organization has determined homosexuals make great parents?</p>
<p>Please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Common</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 05:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas, I&#039;m trying to understand which religious view actually has the real and only special access to moral truth that should be codified in civil law.  As you know, Episcopal, Unitarian, Reformed Judaism, Quaker and Buddhist either honor or perform same sex unions.    Which view is correct and why?

Moreover, are child molesters, felons, drug addicts and rapists good parental models?  Why does civil marriage law deem their marriages as a fundamental right?   Do you believe equal protection and due process constitutional guarantee&#039;s don&#039;t apply only to felony marriages but not homosexual marriages?
Why, since every court and main stream scientific organization has determined homosexuals make great parents. 

Please explain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I&#8217;m trying to understand which religious view actually has the real and only special access to moral truth that should be codified in civil law.  As you know, Episcopal, Unitarian, Reformed Judaism, Quaker and Buddhist either honor or perform same sex unions.    Which view is correct and why?</p>
<p>Moreover, are child molesters, felons, drug addicts and rapists good parental models?  Why does civil marriage law deem their marriages as a fundamental right?   Do you believe equal protection and due process constitutional guarantee&#8217;s don&#8217;t apply only to felony marriages but not homosexual marriages?<br />
Why, since every court and main stream scientific organization has determined homosexuals make great parents. </p>
<p>Please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Greg. Truly sad. When you discriminate against people it never ends well and tends to snowball. If you can deny gays and lesbians the civil right of marriage in an effort to harm them and their children, surely it&#039;s acceptable to deny their children access to education. Frankly, this animosity against gays and lesbians hurts us as Catholics, and it hurts as a nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Greg. Truly sad. When you discriminate against people it never ends well and tends to snowball. If you can deny gays and lesbians the civil right of marriage in an effort to harm them and their children, surely it&#8217;s acceptable to deny their children access to education. Frankly, this animosity against gays and lesbians hurts us as Catholics, and it hurts as a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Loye Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loye Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we are serious about defending traditional marriage, we must get serious about teaching traditional gender roles. Thousands of years of wisdom on the topic have been thrown out the window in the last 50 years. 

The Bible gives very specific norms about gender roles in marriage, yet those statements are almost always dropped from the readings at Sunday Mass. Lay lectors usually redact the statements, and priests are too afraid to preach them. It is as if the Body of Christ is embarrassed by the Word of God on the most important of institutions. 

I commend to reading Pope Leo XIII&#039;s &quot;Encyclical on Christian Marriage&quot;:

&quot;[Jesus Christ] bore witness to the Jews and to His Apostles that marriage, from its institution, should exist between two only, that is, between one man and one woman; that of two they are made, so to say, one flesh . . . .&quot;

Leo XIII, &quot;ARCANUM&quot; (1880), paragraph 5, http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_10021880_arcanum_en.html

However, Pope Leo wisely did not drop the matter there. He went farther and discussed the necessary conditions for such a union to exist:

&quot;Secondly, the mutual duties of husband and wife have been defined, and their several rights accurately established. They are bound, namely, to have such feelings for one another as to cherish always very great mutual love, to be ever faithful to their marriage vow, and to give one another an unfailing and unselfish help. The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and in her who obeys, a heaven-born love guiding both in their respective duties. For &#039;the husband is the head of the wife; as Christ is the head of the Church. . . Therefore, as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let wives be to their husbands in all things.&#039;&quot;

Id., Paragraph 11. 

Later, in 1930, Pius XI had this to say about Leo XIII&#039;s encyclical:

&quot;We declare that, far from being obsolete, it retains its full force at the present day.&quot;

Pius XI, &quot;CASTI CONNUBII&quot; (1930), Paragraph 5. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html

We simply won&#039;t be able to reclaim marriage until we teach gender roles consistently with biology and with the natures of the respective genders. 

Happy Trails.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are serious about defending traditional marriage, we must get serious about teaching traditional gender roles. Thousands of years of wisdom on the topic have been thrown out the window in the last 50 years. </p>
<p>The Bible gives very specific norms about gender roles in marriage, yet those statements are almost always dropped from the readings at Sunday Mass. Lay lectors usually redact the statements, and priests are too afraid to preach them. It is as if the Body of Christ is embarrassed by the Word of God on the most important of institutions. </p>
<p>I commend to reading Pope Leo XIII&#8217;s &#8220;Encyclical on Christian Marriage&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;[Jesus Christ] bore witness to the Jews and to His Apostles that marriage, from its institution, should exist between two only, that is, between one man and one woman; that of two they are made, so to say, one flesh . . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Leo XIII, &#8220;ARCANUM&#8221; (1880), paragraph 5, <a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_10021880_arcanum_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_10021880_arcanum_en.html</a></p>
<p>However, Pope Leo wisely did not drop the matter there. He went farther and discussed the necessary conditions for such a union to exist:</p>
<p>&#8220;Secondly, the mutual duties of husband and wife have been defined, and their several rights accurately established. They are bound, namely, to have such feelings for one another as to cherish always very great mutual love, to be ever faithful to their marriage vow, and to give one another an unfailing and unselfish help. The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and in her who obeys, a heaven-born love guiding both in their respective duties. For &#8216;the husband is the head of the wife; as Christ is the head of the Church. . . Therefore, as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let wives be to their husbands in all things.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Id., Paragraph 11. </p>
<p>Later, in 1930, Pius XI had this to say about Leo XIII&#8217;s encyclical:</p>
<p>&#8220;We declare that, far from being obsolete, it retains its full force at the present day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pius XI, &#8220;CASTI CONNUBII&#8221; (1930), Paragraph 5. <a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html</a></p>
<p>We simply won&#8217;t be able to reclaim marriage until we teach gender roles consistently with biology and with the natures of the respective genders. </p>
<p>Happy Trails.</p>
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		<title>By: marv!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>marv!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leigh, great point. Thomas thinks he is an expert on everything, even those things he&#039;s actually never experienced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leigh, great point. Thomas thinks he is an expert on everything, even those things he&#8217;s actually never experienced.</p>
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		<title>By: marv!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>marv!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It never ceases to amaze me that the Catholic Church considers itself an expert on marriage, on having kids and how to raise kids. Yet, these same people have never experienced any of these things. You can&#039;t learn something by just reading about it. You also have to experience it. I can&#039;t learn to fly a plane by simply reading a bunch of books. At some point, I have to get on a plane and actually learn to fly a plane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze me that the Catholic Church considers itself an expert on marriage, on having kids and how to raise kids. Yet, these same people have never experienced any of these things. You can&#8217;t learn something by just reading about it. You also have to experience it. I can&#8217;t learn to fly a plane by simply reading a bunch of books. At some point, I have to get on a plane and actually learn to fly a plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops....forgot to mention that the commercial I am speaking of is from the National Org for Marriage website. I apologize for the confusion.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230;.forgot to mention that the commercial I am speaking of is from the National Org for Marriage website. I apologize for the confusion&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: marv!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>marv!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas, are you married?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, are you married?</p>
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		<title>By: SUNDAY EDITION &#124; ThePulp.it</title>
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		<dc:creator>SUNDAY EDITION &#124; ThePulp.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The commercial is a bit over the top yes......the language is offensive, the message is not. After watching a few other you tube entries by the same organization I did catch a one liner that has not been brought up. One of the things hurting marriage today is the divorce rate but I don&#039;t see anyone up in arms trying to make divorce illegal......mig be better to step back and take a look at the big picture. Divorce and re-marriage is very difficult on the family.....especially children....Although I guess if you just have the Marriage annulled all is good? Where is THAT tidbit of information found in the bible?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The commercial is a bit over the top yes&#8230;&#8230;the language is offensive, the message is not. After watching a few other you tube entries by the same organization I did catch a one liner that has not been brought up. One of the things hurting marriage today is the divorce rate but I don&#8217;t see anyone up in arms trying to make divorce illegal&#8230;&#8230;mig be better to step back and take a look at the big picture. Divorce and re-marriage is very difficult on the family&#8230;..especially children&#8230;.Although I guess if you just have the Marriage annulled all is good? Where is THAT tidbit of information found in the bible?</p>
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